Meeting Notes: North Island-South West Regional Recreational Forum Saturday 7 July 2007

Open Meeting

Meeting chair, Paul Creswell (MFish) opened the meeting at 10am and welcomed members.

Attendees

Paul Creswell (Chair, MFish)

Claire Norris (MFish)

Brent Rolston (Fielding Surfcasters Club)

Kevin Moratti (Taranaki Recreational Fishers Association)

Jim Mikoz (Wellington Recreational Marine Fishers Association)

Bob Rosemergy (Freediving New Zealand)

Jo Cook (Wellington Surfcasting & Angling Club)

Jim O’Brien (NZ Angling & Casting Association)

Apologies

No apologies

Meeting Introduction

Paul Creswell confirmed the meeting agenda with members. The main agenda items were local set netting issues, the October 2007 and April 2008 sustainability rounds, charter boat fishing, and proposed undersea current generators in Cook Strait. Other items for discussion included the Shared‑Fisheries project, a national recreational fishing forum, potential shellfish fishing issues in Wellington Harbour, and marine and mätaitai reserves.

Members agreed to discuss the charter boat fishing item despite the absence of Stephen Voullaire at the meeting (Stephen initially raised this item at an earlier meeting for future discussion).

Paul stated that he had been in contact with Terry Liggett from the Wanganui Sea Fishing Club about the forum. He noted that Terry had agreed to join the forum and would attend future meetings (he will cover the Wanganui region).

Paul advised the minutes of the last forum meeting held on 22 February 2007 had been posted on the MFish website at

www.fish.govt.nz/en-nz/Recreational/Recreational+Forums/default.htm

Corresp.

Incoming Correspondence:

  • Various e-mails from forum members about their availability to attend today’s meeting
  • E-mail from Bob Rosemergy requesting an update on an application to undertake paua research within the Wellington south coast closed area

Outgoing Correspondence:

  • April 2007 MFish Newsletter
  • Minutes of the last meeting of the NI-SW Regional Recreational Forum held on 22 February 2007
  • Email notifying today’s meeting and agenda

Regional updates

Members provided regional updates on the state of recreational fishing within their local areas.

MFish April 2007 Newsletter/ minutes of last meeting

Paul summarised the April 2007 MFish Newsletter and minutes of the last forum meeting highlighting any changes or decisions since these were made available to members.

Paul reminded members that the Minister of Fisheries had recently agreed to reinstate the Pukerua Bay temporary closure to provide further protection to fish and shellfish within the bay. Jo Cook said she was aware that some people were still fishing in the bay and that MFish needed to erect more signs to better inform people about the closed area. Paul said be would bring Jo’s concerns to the attention to the local fisheries compliance team.

Paul stated the NI-SE Recreational Fishing Forum had recently met with the Napier Fisheries Compliance team. He asked members whether they would like the opportunity to meet with a member of the Wellington team to find out more about fisheries compliance within the region and discuss any concerns they had. Members agreed this was a good idea.

Brent Rolston stated he was in contact with another fisher from 90-Mile Beach who also shared his concerns about the increasing use of kontiki fishing gear. He noted that a review was needed to set a maximum number of hooks on any one kontiki line as this method has the potential to catch fish in excess of the amateur bag limit.

Bob Rosemergy expressed disappointment that MFish had failed to inform local stakeholders about the PAU 2 Industry Association’s decision to withdraw their special permit application to conduct paua research within the Wellington south coast closed area. Paul said that he would arrange for a response to be sent to forum members regarding this decision.

Action: 1) Paul will contact the Wellington Fisheries Compliance team about the need for more signs at Pukerua Bay to better inform fishers about the reinstatement of the temporary closed area.

Action: 2) Paul will invite the District Compliance Manager ( Wellington Fisheries Compliance team) to the forum.

Action: 3) Paul will arrange for a response to be sent to forum members regarding the Wellington south paua closed area special permit application.

October 2007/April 2008 Sustainability Rounds

Paul outlined MFish’s two annual reviews to consider changes to sustainability measures and other management controls. These reviews coincide with the 1 October (October Round) and 1 April (April Round) fishing years. Measures reviewed during these rounds include changes to TACs, TACCs and allowances for individual fishstocks, fisheries regulations (both commercial and non-commercial), conversion factors and deemed values.

Paul informed members that consultation on the October 2007 and April 2008 rounds were underway and that stakeholders now had an opportunity to provide written submissions. Paul provided a brief overview of the proposals included within each review. Paul encouraged members to provide a submission if they held a particular viewpoint about any one proposal.

Both Bob and Jim Mikoz said they have experienced difficulties getting in touch with the MFish Head Office contact person for more information. Paul said he will follow up this matter.

Action: 4) Paul will advise MFish on past difficulties in getting information on sustainability rounds.

Local set net issues

Jim O’Brien informed the forum of his concerns on the use of local amateur set nets to catch juvenile fish, particularly in some northern areas of Wellington Harbour. He stated that some fishers using nets with small mesh size were catching juvenile kahawai and trevally to the detriment to local fishstocks. He also raised another issue about the ability for set nets to catch fish in excess of the amateur daily bag limit. He believed that most fish caught in set nets were dead upon retrieval (including undersize fish) and this prevented a fisher from releasing fish back alive if he caught more than what he was entitled to. This leads to fish wastage. He noted that many problems arise when set nets are left for long periods of time including overnight setting. He suggested that set nets should be banned in areas where juvenile fish occur. Several members believed fishers should stay with their nets at all times when fishing. Jim Mikoz agreed that net attendance was important, including when fishing near or within rivers as these were important areas for many marine fish species that feed and spawn there.

Paul informed members that the use of recreational set nets was under review as part of the joint initiative by MFish and DOC to develop a Threat Management Plan for Hector’s dolphins. He noted that recent discussions with some stakeholders where Hector’s dolphins occur also raised similar concerns about the use of recreational set nets.

The forum considered that any set netting restrictions should have a wider scope than just protecting Hector’s dolphins, including protecting the sustainability of fishstocks.

The forum liked the use of set net codes of practices for both recreational and commercial fishers, but thought they should be enforceable in some way.

Motion: Kevin Moratti moved that all recreational set netters throughout all of New Zealand should stay with their nets at all times. This motion was seconded by Brent Rolston, and unanimously supported by the rest of the forum.

The forum also agreed for Kevin to move a similar motion at the upcoming New Zealand Recreational Fishing Council conference.

Paul commented that when a draft Threat Management Plan is sent out for consultation, members may wish to make the Minister aware that the use of set nets is a national issue (as opposed to just in Hector’s (and Maui) dolphin distribution areas).

Action: 5) Kevin to raise the issue of recreational set netting at the New Zealand Recreational Fishing Council conference.

Shared -fisheries update

Paul noted that over 600 submissions were received on the Shared-Fisheries Discussion Paper.

A CD containing copies of individual submissions, as well as a Summary of Submissions document was available from MFish (note - a cd can be obtained by emailing edwin.massey@fish.govt.nz (remember to provide your name and postal address in the email).

Paul stated that MFish had now provided the Minister of Fisheries with advice to assist with discussions with his Cabinet colleagues.

Kevin suggested that Government should wait for the kahawai court case to be resolved before any decisions are made on the Shared-Fisheries proposals.

Charter boat fishing

In the absence of Stephen Voullaire at the meeting, members discussed some of their experiences and concerns about local charter boat fishing. Several members suggested that Stephen’s main concern was the large number of häpuka caught by recreational fishers from charter boats in Cook Strait.

Jim Mikoz stated that some charter boats were going back to the same reefs every day through the week and this was causing localised depletion of popular snapper and tarakihi spots traditionally fished on weekends only. Jo believed that most charter boat operators were responsible, as they would not want to deplete local fishstocks because their businesses relied on maintaining good catches.

Jo, Kevin and Bob all reported that many local charter boat operators had self-imposed bag limits or tended to move away from an area once a set amount of fish had been caught. Jo noted that it was ultimately up to their paying customers whether they wanted to move.

Paul shared the concerns of the North Island-South East (NI-SE) forum that there has been a significant increase in charter boats operating in their region and this was causing a detrimental impact on local häpuka numbers. Paul stated that because of these concerns MFish had initially developed a draft proposal to review the amateur daily bag limit for häpuka on the east coast, North Island (HPB 2, including Wellington) as part of this year’s sustainability rounds. MFish decided to not progress the proposal until such time as additional information was collected to determine whether a similar problem was occurring within the adjoining HPB 7 (top of the South Island) and HPB8 (lower west coast, North Island) fisheries. This work would be undertaken over the next 12 months.

Jim O’Brien thought that a lot of charter boat operators would agree with this proposal, as it would take the pressure off them when customers demand to stay in an area after an operator had suggested moving somewhere else.

Forum members also raised the issue of whether there was a need to impose a maximum number of hooks on longlines to ensure catches did not exceed the daily bag limit.

The forum briefly discussed the issue of charter boat reporting. The forum supported this, and Jo mentioned that a charter boat operator she knew reported his boat’s catch on his website. Paul noted there were a number of submissions to the Shared-Fisheries Discussion Document about charter boat reporting.

Undersea current generators in Cook Strait

Jim Mikoz presented information on a proposal by Neptune Power to place up to 7 000 turbines above the sea floor in Cook Strait. He believed a resource consent had been granted to allow this proposal to proceed, but was unsure whether it was for research into the use of the turbines, or for full-scale development.

Jim Mikoz was concerned about the potential effects of these turbines on marine mammals, and had asked DOC questions about this at a recent meeting. He noted that DOC had been unable to answer his questions.

Jim Mikoz was also concerned on the effect turbines could have on local häpuka, hoki and ling fisheries, and was not happy that there could be another closed area to fishing, which would be near the closed cable protection zone and the new marine reserve.

Action: 6) Paul agreed to find out whether a resource consent had been granted and what for, whether MFish had been consulted, what (if any) responses MFish had made, and which MFish team was dealing with the issue.

General business

National’ regional recreational fisheries forum meeting

Paul noted that MFish may hold a national recreational forum meeting at the end of this year, potentially in October or November. The idea to hold a national meeting had been around since regional recreational forums were developed, and it is intended that representatives from each regional forum would attend the national meeting.

Paul would provide more details at the next meeting, at which time the forum could talk about who they want to send as representatives.

Potential fishing issues within Wellington shellfish beds

Paul stated that he had spoken to a councilor with the Hutt City Council who had received concerns about overfishing of some local shellfish beds, particularly in the Eastbourne area. He asked whether MFish was aware of any similar concerns. Paul said he had agreed to raise this matter with the forum.

Jim O’Brien reported there were no cockles or pipi found along the beach in that area, but there are large mussels and lots of small paua. He noted he sees a lot of people collecting shellfish at this beach and suggested that a compliance officer visit the area (on a Sunday) to check that people were abiding with the amateur fishing rules and to provide more education.

Marine reserves

Kevin raised an issue about the Minister’s concurrence role when considering marine reserve applications. He noted that the Minister when deciding whether to grant concurrence was required to consider whether a proposed marine reserve would have an ‘undue adverse effect’ on recreational fishing. However, he believed the Minister failed to consider this test for the Tapuae marine reserve application as there was no robust research available in which to consider the effects on recreational fishers.

Kevin informed the forum that he intended to write a letter to the Minister outlining his concerns.

Bluefin tuna

Kevin raised concerns about the Minister’s decision to set a recreational allowance (within the TAC) for bluefin tuna. He believed the allowance was set too low to reflect actual recreational catches and was based on insufficient information. He stated the allowance equated to about five individual tuna. He asked for a copy of MFish’s final advice paper sent to the Minister.

Bob said was concerned about sustainability of the fishery, as there was little research on the size of the stock.

Action: 7) Paul will send Kevin a copy of the final advice paper.

Mataitai reserves

Kevin voiced his concern about inadequate consultation on mätaitai reserve applications. He believes the consultation process was flawed as it was only available to those that lived nearby. Kevin believed MFish should consult with the wider public, especially as people travel large distances to fish in specific areas.

Kevin was also concerned that past MFish presentations on mätaitai reserves failed to explain the full implications of mätaitai reserves on fishers. He provided an example where MFish had said that a mätaitai could not exclude recreational fishers from fishing within a mätaitai reserve, but failed to explain that kaitiaki could exclude recreational fishers by asking the Minister to regulate.

Paul noted that a mätaitai reserve could not exclude people based on race.

Action: 8) Paul agreed to pass on Kevin’s concerns to the Spatial Allocations Manager.

Recreational crayfish research

Kevin advised members that he had submitted a research proposal to MFish last year to estimate recreational crayfish catches in Taranaki. This proposal was unsuccessful. Kevin noted this research would be easy to carry out, and would provide good information recreational crayfish catches.

Paul agreed to resubmit the proposal on the forum’s behalf into the upcoming research planning round for 2007-08.

Action: 9) Paul to resubmit the recreational crayfish research proposal into research planning round for 2007-08.

Mahanga Bay research proposal

Bob wanted to know the status of the Mahanga Bay research proposal. Jim Mikoz asked that MFish provide waypoints using WGS84 for the proposal as the grid points displayed on the MFish supplied chart could not be converted into WGS84 by him or by using the formula supplied by MFish. He had contacted Land Information NZ and they also could also not convert them.

Action: 10) Paul will provide members with a response on the Mahanga Bay research proposal.

Pukerua Bay closure

Jim Mikoz expressed concern whether the reinstatement of the closed area for another two to four years would improve local fish and shellfish stocks given the Minister had reported the closure would improve fishstocks. He requested a copy of MFish’s final advice paper on the Pukerua Bay temporary closure.

Action: 11) Paul will send Jim Mikoz a copy of the final advice paper.

Next meeting

The following agenda items were to be carried to the next forum meeting:

Meeting with the District Compliance Manager, Wellington Fisheries Compliance Team

National’ regional recreational fisheries forum meeting

Closing

Meeting closed at 3pm

Updated : 25 November 2007